[JavierMascherano89]

Allot depends on the Newcastle fans who have come to expect allot from their managers. Of course you have to expect something and rightly so.

It'd be interesting to see if he takes the offer up, Newcastle aren't in a nice healthy position, however when all there squad is fit the manager would have a fairly good squad. I think he'd enjoy it but we shall see, the chairman (Mr. Shepheard) also needs to be abit more patient - even though Souness deserved to go Shepheard should of done it before the transfer window and given the new manager extra funds and a month to buy a few lads.

[CC Is Klaas]

If Big Sam takes the England job, wouldn’t Ottmar fancy a smaller yet better team in Bolton if he wants a bigger challenger away from the ‘big boys’? Because I think Bolton will be dead serts in trying to get Ottmar, while Newcastle are fanining around with Keegan and O’Neil seemingly. Or if Big Sam goes to Newcastle, Bolton would still try and get Ottmar.

The challenge of winning a trophy for a club where 52000 fans turn up every week who havent won anything in 37 years who have the potential to be one of the biggest in the world, or a club with it's limitations who probably couldn't afford Hitzfeld's wages let a lone to buy players, do you think he wants the challenge of getting freebie has been's? And how do you know Newcastle are fanining about with Keegan and O'Neill, thats the press. Keegan wont get the job. Ottmar Hitzfeld would sooner go to Dubai than Bolton

How do you know? How do you know how much funds Bolton has? Their resent success and the fact that Bolton haven’t spent a great deal should mean they have a comfortable amount of money. You said yourself Ottmar wants a new challenge, and Bolton will be the bigger challenge. And I’m going on what’s coming out of SJP.

[Al Genina]

They've had success but if you look at the fanbase of Newcastle and Bolton theres no doubt in my mind where the steady flow of money is. We have spent millions upon millions on new players in the past 2 or 3 years and still our finances aren't too bad. If we can get a cup or 2 we would be looking at mega money rolling in. Bolton are at their peak in my opinion because they just havent got the fans like us.

[HaRvEy]

If Big Sam takes the England job, wouldn’t Ottmar fancy a smaller yet better team in Bolton if he wants a bigger challenger away from the ‘big boys’? Because I think Bolton will be dead serts in trying to get Ottmar, while Newcastle are fanining around with Keegan and O’Neil seemingly. Or if Big Sam goes to Newcastle, Bolton would still try and get Ottmar.

The challenge of winning a trophy for a club where 52000 fans turn up every week who havent won anything in 37 years who have the potential to be one of the biggest in the world, or a club with it's limitations who probably couldn't afford Hitzfeld's wages let a lone to buy players, do you think he wants the challenge of getting freebie has been's? And how do you know Newcastle are fanining about with Keegan and O'Neill, thats the press. Keegan wont get the job. Ottmar Hitzfeld would sooner go to Dubai than Bolton

How do you know? How do you know how much funds Bolton has? Their resent success and the fact that Bolton haven’t spent a great deal should mean they have a comfortable amount of money. You said yourself Ottmar wants a new challenge, and Bolton will be the bigger challenge. And I’m going on what’s coming out of SJP.

because Sam Alladyce said last week on sky that Gartside has a budget that he wont exceed and that he kept bugging him and bugging him all summer, so Gartsy went over the budget and said he wouldnt again for a long time for financial reasons. That is the reason Bolton didnt buy anyone in the summer.

How is taking over at a club high in the league a bigger challenge than one lower

www.hitzfeldforthetoon.com

[CC Is Klaas]

If Big Sam takes the England job, wouldn’t Ottmar fancy a smaller yet better team in Bolton if he wants a bigger challenger away from the ‘big boys’? Because I think Bolton will be dead serts in trying to get Ottmar, while Newcastle are fanining around with Keegan and O’Neil seemingly. Or if Big Sam goes to Newcastle, Bolton would still try and get Ottmar.

The challenge of winning a trophy for a club where 52000 fans turn up every week who havent won anything in 37 years who have the potential to be one of the biggest in the world, or a club with it's limitations who probably couldn't afford Hitzfeld's wages let a lone to buy players, do you think he wants the challenge of getting freebie has been's? And how do you know Newcastle are fanining about with Keegan and O'Neill, thats the press. Keegan wont get the job. Ottmar Hitzfeld would sooner go to Dubai than Bolton

How do you know? How do you know how much funds Bolton has? Their resent success and the fact that Bolton haven’t spent a great deal should mean they have a comfortable amount of money. You said yourself Ottmar wants a new challenge, and Bolton will be the bigger challenge. And I’m going on what’s coming out of SJP.

How is taking over at a club high in the league a bigger challenge than one lower

www.hitzfeldforthetoon.com

Smaller fanbase
Smaller stadium
Generally considered a smaller club
Comparative lack of funds
Bolton have perhaps already reached their potential under Sam
Newcastle's obvious talent (only brought down by Souness)

[HaRvEy]

the key thing there "REACHED THEIR POTENTIAL"

case closed :coffee:

Alladyce wont get the England job anyway, nor will he get the Newcastle job

I cant see Bolton paying £3m a year for Hitzfeld or Hitzfeld being attracted to a club doing well which has "reached their potential"

he's always took on challenges of falling big clubs, such as Bayern

This post has been edited by HaRvEy: 06 February 2006 - 06:36 PM

[CC Is Klaas]

the key thing there "REACHED THEIR POTENTIAL"

case closed :coffee:

Two words; Ottmar Hitzfeld.

[HaRvEy]

the key thing there "REACHED THEIR POTENTIAL"

case closed :coffee:

Two words; Ottmar Hitzfeld.

seven words: Ottmar Heimler Shiemler Diemler Hitzy Witzy Hitzfeld

[CC Is Klaas]

You want him as your next manager, yet you doubt his ability to take Bolton to the next level?

[HaRvEy]

didnt say he couldnt do it, i said he wont take it, because Bolton have reached their potential with Alladyce it's less of a challenge to what he's used to, he wants more of a challenge

[BoyChina]

This name ,I have not remembered for a long time... :P

[The Hun]

I would love to see Hitzfeld become the trainer for the Magpies. I got to watch him prove his brilliance over here in Germany and would love to see him do it for Newcastle. On a side note he only speaks 4 languages seeing as Swiss speak either French or German. (correct me if I am wrong)

[HaRvEy]

he speaks English, thats all he needs.

Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd is reportedly ready to speak to Portugal boss Luis Felipe Scolari about becoming the next Toon boss.

The United chief has already admitted he may turn to a foreign manager as he begins the search for Graeme Souness' replacement - with Scolari thought to be on his shortlist.

The Brazilian, whose nickname is 'Big Phil', guided his country to glory at the 2002 World Cup Finals.

Shepherd could be ready to ask Scolari to combine managing Portugal and Newcastle until after the World Cup, when his contract with the former expires.

[Manchester United FC]

hmm....

disappointing for Toon?

[HaRvEy]

every Newcastle fan wants Hitzfeld and the press are starting to take note.

Scolari, hmm, maybe, but he cant speak english and Hitzfeld is better

[CC Is Klaas]

If I was Freddy I’d go for Ottmar as well, but Scolari is a good manager.

[Lord Funkicus of Tit-Town]

You bang on about newcastle have this advantage, Newcastle have that advantage and what not, but you overlook one major factor that EVERY manager takes into account when deciding over a job - In the last say 15 years, how many managers have Bolton gone through, how many Newcastle?


Like it or not they OBVIOUSLY have some behind the scenes problems at the club. Talented managers come in and can do nothing, and get fired within 2 years, then the whole process starts again. The earliest I remember clearly was Ruud Gullit, who was forced out because of Shearer's ego.

[HaRvEy]

You bang on about newcastle have this advantage, Newcastle have that advantage and what not, but you overlook one major factor that EVERY manager takes into account when deciding over a job - In the last say 15 years, how many managers have Bolton gone through, how many Newcastle?


Like it or not they OBVIOUSLY have some behind the scenes problems at the club. Talented managers come in and can do nothing, and get fired within 2 years, then the whole process starts again. The earliest I remember clearly was Ruud Gullit, who was forced out because of Shearer's ego.

Sam Alladyce took over Bolton at the bottom and made them something, thats why he still has the job.

Keegan quit because of Shepherd forcing him out and becoming the chairman.
Dalglish quit because Shearer got injured and we couldnt score then he came back not even half fit and Dalglish couldnt get us winning.
Gullit quit because he was shite, about to get us relegated, he blames Shearer, but he left Feyenoord blaming there board aswell, he's just a shite manager who couldnt handle Shearer or Duncan Ferguson.
Robson was sacked because Shepherd thought he was getting too old and it was time to move on.
Souness is a clown.


Not to mention, OTTMAR HITZFELD HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN A LONG TERM MANAGER ANYWAY


AND WHAM BANG WHO'S YOUR MAM THERE'S YOUR CHALLENGE RIGHT THERE, success to stay in the job

This post has been edited by HaRvEy: 07 February 2006 - 11:03 AM

[Lord Funkicus of Tit-Town]

Gullit? $hit? No he wasn't. Shearer disagreed with him and then started to sulk and make life difficult and unfortunately no matter how he behaves,nothing in Newcastle will be bigger than Alan Shearer. THAT'S why Gullit went.

You can't blame an injury on Dalglish failing, and as for Robson and Keegan - maybe Shephard IS the problem. Doesnt seem to have a clue how to deal man to man with a manager nor really how to run a club.


If he's not a long term manager, whats the point, He shows up, wins you something, moves on, you're back where you are right now.

I don't think it is physically possible for a club to have the staff turnoever Newcastle do and NOT have some kinda damaging issue going on. As I say it might just be that Freddys a prat, but theres something there which I'd be wary of.

[HaRvEy]

Gullit? $hit? No he wasn't. Shearer disagreed with him and then started to sulk and make life difficult and unfortunately no matter how he behaves,nothing in Newcastle will be bigger than Alan Shearer. THAT'S why Gullit went.

did you see Gullit at Feyenoord? Obviously not, he fucked them right up, big failure and walked out ranting and raving as he always does. Gullit dropped our best 2 strikers, not just Shearer.

HE ALSO DIDNT GIVE 2 OF OUR BEST PLAYERS SQUAD NUMBERS, ROB LEE AND PISTONE

IS THAT BECAUSE OF SHEARER?

You can't blame an injury on Dalglish failing, and as for Robson and Keegan - maybe Shephard IS the problem. Doesnt seem to have a clue how to deal man to man with a manager nor really how to run a club.

Of course you can, because when Shearer was injured we couldnt score...FACT, when he came back Shearer's goals single handedly took us to the F.A Cup final.

If he's not a long term manager, whats the point, He shows up, wins you something, moves on, you're back where you are right now.

are Bayern back where they are when Hitzfeld joined? No. They became one of the top clubs top jobs again rather than an unattracted job of death which Hitzfeld took.

I don't think it is physically possible for a club to have the staff turnoever Newcastle do and NOT have some kinda damaging issue going on. As I say it might just be that Freddys a prat, but theres something there which I'd be wary of.

Tottenham, Southampton, West Ham etc have bigger staff turnovers. Is it because of something going on behind the scene's there? No it's because the managers do shite.

Before Souness it was 4 managers in 12 years, which is actually the average turnover.

Your man Wenger said Newcastle United is probably the toughest job in english football because of the expectancy to deliver from the fans. It's EXACTLY the same at Spurs. Clubs who's fans think they're so big they warrant success and so demand instant success. That is more of a reason to go on for managers leaving often rather than a "behind the scenes" fiasco. The media love to write about Newcastle United, maybe you've fell for it

This post has been edited by HaRvEy: 07 February 2006 - 12:48 PM